I have gone through ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 17:05:29 I have gone through the Greening paper now and? already see some problematic assumptions:
"the colliding masses essentially
merge into a single mass that continues to descend."
Watch the video, is this what happens?
"This implies that the rear end of the impacting aircraft must have traveled 32 meters in order to completely penetrate the tower in
the manner observed.
We will assume that the striking aircraft was brought to a
full stop in this distance."
Watch the video, is this what happens?
You say jagged ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 16:54:37 You say jagged collapse, I say asymmetrical failure.
Frankly I don't see any jarring once the roofline starts descending which make the symmetrical collapse progression all? the more odd (the transition to symmetry is the kicker as far as I am concerned).
The only way that the tilting can be seen as suggesting an initial resistance is if the outer walls were self supporting, which they were not. Even then it does not parse with the nature of the collapse itself.
w w w . 911myths . ... By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 11:27:45 w w w . 911myths . com / WTCREPORT . pdf
the collapse is jagged, you can see that one side is actually ahead of the opposite side of the building, which means it's? meeting resistance and not falling uniformly.
The north tower and south tower collapse differently. The south tower's top block falls almost as a whole onto the lower block, the north tower's upper block collapses but is stopped by the next floor,the top block collapses first and then precedes through the rest of the building
Certainly the WTC7 ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 08:23:59 Certainly the WTC7 case is absurd, for WTC1 and 2 I have a problem with the assumptions used in Bazants calculations, I can't say I have seen Greening, do you have a link?
If you watch the WTC closely you should be able to see that the top portion actually disintigrates first, before impacting the lower portion.
There are some other studies of the collapse initiation showing precisely that the initial phase was not jagged as you expect, but a smooth acceleration.
"Downward? Acceleration Tower"
and if you read? ... By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 03:56:59 and if you read? greenings paper you can see that he can estimate that the towers in a domino collapse would take roughly 12 seconds for tower 2 and 13 for tower 1.
i don't find those ... By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 03:26:53 i don't find those times absurd at all, watching the buildings collapse they exponentially gain more speed, watch? the beginning of the collapse. The builidngs begin down from the point of impact, they hit the lower portion and almost come to a stop, and then precede down, debris far outpacing the buildings (again proving no free fall), gaining speed, mass, and of course energy making it easier for it to destroy the next level, but the initiation is slow and jagged
WTC7 fell at free ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 01:50:59 WTC7 fell at free fall speeds for a considerable portion of it's collapse, not according to truthers mind you: According to NIST.
You don't find 1.5 and 2X free fall speeds to be a tad absurd for a natural gravity induced collapse of a 99% intact structure? If you don't I have some Lehman Brothers shares I'd like? to sell you, I heard they were gonna be hot-stuff this year.
near free fall ... By: heafers84. on 06 Oct 09, 22:53:19 near free fall speeds, I think 1.5X and 2X the speed of free fall is near free fall. The south tower took 14 seconds and the North took at least 18. They both fell from top to bottom, unlike any demolition ever. And they both gave at the point of impact. All i said is that it is completely possible that the towers fell due to the planes and fires. And the planes severed columns which helped cause the "start" of collapse. So why say it was done by thermite especially? with no proof of it.
You say things like ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 06 Oct 09, 18:12:13 You say things like the? the math for planes+fires bringing down the buildings have been done, making you think you haven't actually looked at the studies purporting to prove this.
Aside from anything else they don't even claim that the planes had much to do with the collapse, because they understand how ludicrous that assertion is.
What can be disproved is fires alone bringing down buildings at near free-fall speeds...
as said before ... By: heafers84. on 06 Oct 09, 11:30:57 as said before there's no evidence for thermite, and the building could have been brought down from the plane crash and fires, the math is already in. If thermite was used the product of thermite would be found everywhere and it's not, that's the problem with you truthers. Why use an alternate theory when the one in front of you has been proved possible.
I understand that the use of? thermite can never be disproved, but the same goes for evil fairy dust being used.
Yes there is, but ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 06 Oct 09, 09:55:11 Yes there is, but who said vertical cuts?
The annoying thing about you debunkers is you don't get logic. You don't need a physical test to prove how thermite was used in that specific instance if the use of exotic accelerants is? true a priori.
If the buildings could not have come down naturally something must have brought it down. Disproving this or that composition and layout of thermite cannot ever disprove the use of thermite.
It's not hard, but you have to think.
cut the beam ... By: heafers84. on 22 Jul 09, 02:02:33 cut the beam vertically and i'll be impressed, this proves nothing whatsoever. the idea? of Thermite was made up by Jones and his goons. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can move on. There's never been a shred of evidence for thermite
Yes; you are very ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 12 Jul 09, 12:40:15 Yes; you are very right so I shall set one up for this evening.? However I Absolutely know from tests with lots of thermite and steel -it was used to soften the HUGE Beams and then cut with LINEAR CHARGES. Precisely "how"- who knows??
NO; thermite used ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 12 Jul 09, 12:18:49 NO; thermite used to soften the steel and remove much of it....I Beams that? large require material to get removed then cutting charges initiated to cut support.
No true trutherlie ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 07 Jul 09, 01:10:53 No true trutherlie ---I am absolutely positive cutting charges were used but thermite as well...
both were used? in fact ---I even think it was new formula ----A PASTE form of Thermite ---PASTE or
TAR form just like Rhino Lining painted on those coulmns
I have gone through ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 17:05:29 I have gone through the Greening paper now and already see some problematic assumptions:
"the colliding masses essentially
merge? into a single mass that continues to descend."
Watch the video, is this what happens?
"This implies that the rear end of the impacting aircraft must have traveled 32 meters in order to completely penetrate the tower in
the manner observed.
We will assume that the striking aircraft was brought to a
full stop in this distance."
Watch the video, is this what happens?
You say jagged ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 16:54:37 You say jagged collapse, I say asymmetrical failure.
Frankly I don't see any jarring once the roofline starts descending which make the symmetrical collapse progression all the more odd (the transition to symmetry is the kicker as far as I am concerned).
The only way that the tilting can be seen as suggesting an initial resistance is if the outer walls were self supporting, which they were not.? Even then it does not parse with the nature of the collapse itself.
w w w . 911myths . ... By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 11:27:45 w w w . 911myths . com / WTCREPORT . pdf
the collapse is jagged, you can see that one side is actually ahead of the opposite side of the building, which means it's meeting resistance and not falling uniformly.
The north tower and south tower collapse differently. The south tower's top block? falls almost as a whole onto the lower block, the north tower's upper block collapses but is stopped by the next floor,the top block collapses first and then precedes through the rest of the building
Certainly the WTC7 ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 08:23:59 Certainly the WTC7 case is absurd, for WTC1 and 2 I have a problem with the assumptions used in Bazants calculations, I can't say I have seen Greening, do you have a link?
If you watch the WTC closely you should be able to see that the top portion actually disintigrates first, before impacting the lower portion.
There are some other studies of the collapse initiation showing? precisely that the initial phase was not jagged as you expect, but a smooth acceleration.
"Downward Acceleration Tower"
and if you read ... By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 03:56:59 and if you read greenings paper you can see that he can estimate that the towers in a domino collapse would take roughly? 12 seconds for tower 2 and 13 for tower 1.
i don't find those ... By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 03:26:53 i don't find those times absurd at all, watching the buildings collapse they exponentially gain more speed, watch the beginning of the collapse. The builidngs begin down from the point of impact, they hit the lower portion and almost come to a stop, and then precede down, debris? far outpacing the buildings (again proving no free fall), gaining speed, mass, and of course energy making it easier for it to destroy the next level, but the initiation is slow and jagged
WTC7 fell at free ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 01:50:59 WTC7 fell at free fall speeds for a considerable portion of? it's collapse, not according to truthers mind you: According to NIST.
You don't find 1.5 and 2X free fall speeds to be a tad absurd for a natural gravity induced collapse of a 99% intact structure? If you don't I have some Lehman Brothers shares I'd like to sell you, I heard they were gonna be hot-stuff this year.
near free fall ... By: heafers84. on 06 Oct 09, 22:53:19 near free fall speeds, I think 1.5X and 2X the speed of free fall is near free fall. The south tower took 14 seconds? and the North took at least 18. They both fell from top to bottom, unlike any demolition ever. And they both gave at the point of impact. All i said is that it is completely possible that the towers fell due to the planes and fires. And the planes severed columns which helped cause the "start" of collapse. So why say it was done by thermite especially with no proof of it.
You say things like ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 06 Oct 09, 18:12:13 You say things like the the math for planes+fires bringing down the buildings have been done, making you think you haven't actually looked at the studies purporting to prove this.
Aside from anything else they don't even claim that the planes had much to do with the collapse, because they understand how ludicrous that assertion is.
What can be disproved is? fires alone bringing down buildings at near free-fall speeds...
as said before ... By: heafers84. on 06 Oct 09, 11:30:57 as said before there's no evidence for thermite, and the building could have been brought down from the plane crash and fires, the math is already in. If thermite was used the product of thermite would be found everywhere and it's not, that's the problem with you? truthers. Why use an alternate theory when the one in front of you has been proved possible.
I understand that the use of thermite can never be disproved, but the same goes for evil fairy dust being used.
Yes there is, but ... By: DarkwingScooter. on 06 Oct 09, 09:55:11 Yes there is, but who said vertical cuts?
The annoying thing about you debunkers is you don't get logic. You don't need a physical test to prove how thermite was used in that specific instance if the use of exotic? accelerants is true a priori.
If the buildings could not have come down naturally something must have brought it down. Disproving this or that composition and layout of thermite cannot ever disprove the use of thermite.
It's not hard, but you have to think.
cut the beam ... By: heafers84. on 22 Jul 09, 02:02:33 cut the beam vertically and i'll be impressed, this proves nothing whatsoever. the idea of Thermite was made up by Jones and his goons. The? sooner you realize this the sooner you can move on. There's never been a shred of evidence for thermite
Yes; you are very ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 12 Jul 09, 12:40:15 Yes; you are very right so I shall set one up for this evening. However I Absolutely know from tests with lots of thermite and steel -it was used to soften the? HUGE Beams and then cut with LINEAR CHARGES. Precisely "how"- who knows??
NO; thermite? used ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 12 Jul 09, 12:18:49 NO; thermite? used to soften the steel and remove much of it....I Beams that large require material to get removed then cutting charges initiated to cut support.
No true trutherlie ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 07 Jul 09, 01:10:53 No true trutherlie ---I am absolutely positive cutting charges were used but thermite as well...
both were used in fact ---I even think it was new formula ----A PASTE form of Thermite ---PASTE or
TAR? form just like Rhino Lining painted on those coulmns
1800 huh of an ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 13 Oct 10, 21:05:31 1800 huh of an engine---change your statement damned boner to you don't know? shit...day an internal combustion engine hits 2500 degrees....I'll gladly debunk myself, with BELLS on my balls literally!
Obviously Coolant ... By: damnedboner. on 13 Oct 10, 14:42:24 Obviously Coolant or Air is used to cool ICE's, And the average Coolant temp is like 190 F.? Just check your shit Guy. Average internal temps are around 1800 F, the highest being about 2500, yes probably from a high performance Formula-1 engine, but none the less. . I know my shit, you need to study.
Dude, you really ... By: damnedboner. on 13 Oct 10, 14:30:52 Dude, you really are a fucking retard. It seems you just want to argue.375 internal cylinder temps? what the fuck? you are mistaken. Get some glasses first, read carefully and do some research. Your Type is incomprehensible as well. Are you saying the Fire DID cause? failure of the beams? because it is clear to any non-retard, that I am saying there is no way in hell that fire brought down those towers you fool. Read my old posts carefully you fool.
@damnedboner ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 13 Oct 10, 01:51:21 @damnedboner Chamber temps in an engine @ 2500 degrees we are talking about standard V-8 or V-6's. I think you mean like Rocket booster engines of The Space Shuttle HUH? Heat in an engine tops out at maybe? 375 to 450 sorry heat is carried off by the water circulating through the Engine block again do simple test and check Steel temp even with a MIG welder OK? At the point of welds you may see 1300 to 1500 degrees tops ok??? Reason I did this fire test ok day you get any fire hot enough congrad!
Well Now you've ... By: damnedboner. on 12 Oct 10, 11:30:58 Well Now you've confused me. I AGREE that the steel in the WTCs would not Fatigue, much less bend or self-destruct like on 9-11. The beams were cut using shaped charge explosives and Nano? thermite. It's obvious. Why dont the connecting rods or pistons Melt in your engine with CONSTANT internal combustion chamber temps of 2500 deg F? RADIANT HEAT,+90% of a Internal combustion Engine's PE (gasoline) is lost due to Radiant Heat.Steel And Iron Dissipates Heat and keeps it's form
Do us all a favor ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 11 Oct 10, 23:17:13 Do us all a favor be a hero instead of talker OK seeing that you do know what Thermodynamics IS get a very very cheap and simple devise that you yes you CAN order from Harbor Freight called a Laser Temp tester..yellow and black. Do small test with steel enclosed using aluminum and check STEEL temp and do what I did and check the HOT Coals at the steel after 8? hrs. You will see how Very Hot that steel is and why 9/11 was flat out murder! BY CIA SPOOKS.
Prove me? wrong by ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 10 Oct 10, 22:50:08 Prove me? wrong by example instead of blasting our comments you obviously know nothing about!
Hey retard, steel? ... By: damnedboner. on 09 Oct 10, 06:30:43 Hey retard, steel? absorbes and dissipates heat energy, unless you have a concentrated energy stream fixed on a singular point, like in a cutting torch, the result is exactly the same. In the WTC's there was no cutting torch. this test is as adequate as you need to prove the point. That steel beam is just as hot at the base as the cinders, it is radiating heat and keeping its structural integrity, because that is what Steel DOES. Dumb fuck
HMMM thank you gee ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 06 Jul 10, 21:31:33 HMMM thank you gee I never thought of that with the thermite? test ???? or maybe I should get a plasma cutter huh? Think thermadyne 5000 series may work? You are fine ok ---I am a certified welder my good man I have melted 1 INCH Steel much thicker than the beams that were cut on 9/11 all year long for years....this is to demonstrate how even hot coals and very very cold pure Oxygen blown directly at point of contact does nothing --micro test of structural steel ...
why do you? not try ... By: trevpickering. on 06 Jul 10, 17:02:52 why do you? not try applying the heat directly to the steel.
its amazing how many people are just flawing these home bullshit tests.
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So you? put some ... By: getochkn. on 30 Aug 09, 17:49:50 So you? put some steel on a campfire and that proves what?
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that lame campfire ... By: ALITL8. on 28 Apr 09, 07:09:08 that lame campfire is getting better air (hotter fire) than the "office" fires contained in the smoke filled WTC buildings. (fire triangle)
i? have 30+ yrs in construction, 10 yrs service station construction (from laborer to supervisor), HAZMAT/HAZWOPPER and other industry related training, certification and licensing.
the collapses of the 3 WTC buildings on 9/11 was NOT caused by heat from office fires, localized structural damage and jet fuel (open air burn temp. 549.5ºF). wake up!
thanks----just ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 08 Apr 09, 01:01:11 thanks----just representation ---If I hit Lotto? I will personally build a 50 foot frame work with modern day I beams --and light it up with huge fire & concrete walls surrounding to show impossible to drop by fire!
this is just a ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 08 Apr 09, 00:58:29 this is just a petty? model not super science----wanted to show no stress on MILD Steel not even
High quality Beams like steel used in 1970 to build that WTC monster ..this is 1/8th thick paper thin --JP5 Jet fuel and 6061-T6 alum did'nt drop those Towers...!
LOve the Tig? weld ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 08 Apr 09, 00:56:36 LOve the Tig? weld very accurate and so easy --I hate Stick welding but can do it ....So damn hard to see the weld puddle --I usually tack with stick and finish with Tig...MY favorite is Tig...I just Sticked this model together and I actually sat on it as well after the fire a day or so ....Used alot of 3/32 rods on it....
Steel beams buckle ... By: leftysergeant. on 07 Apr 09, 13:16:45 Steel beams buckle and collapse fastrer than wooden beams will burn through in a fire. Fire Science 101. One of the? firsty things they teach about hazards specific to different types of construction. You cannot get the right scale out of a camp fire. You test is invalid because of defective methodology.
wait what r? u ... By: deanthemotocrossman. on 10 Mar 09, 11:00:00 wait what r? u testing delta love :25 sec LMAO
hey u weld to what is your favorite type to use mig, tig , ARC , Oxyfuel/acetylene?
i love to wire weld in my school i dont want to brag or nothing but my welding teachers says im the best welder.
im building a go kart right now full suspension independent front and swing arm in the rear and my favorite part i gotsta YAMAHA 540 CC snowmobile motor going in it. yep its gonna go.
Everybody finally ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 17 Feb 09, 03:08:04 Everybody finally our lost money to China? well spent to prove 9/11 look up Chinese Hotel Fire ---Thank you CCTV in China...
Like I said guess ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 23 Jan 09, 04:22:28 Like I said guess you not even good enough to be a? Retard!
Did you check the ... By: cantonear1968. on 03 Jan 09, 13:11:24 Did you check the temperature of the fire? Have you figured the scale model weight of 22 floors above the stress point? Why do you have the steel beam going vertical when the steel trusses were lying horizontal? Why are you heating only one are of the steel instead of the whole beam? Do you know that steel oxidizes rapidly beyond? 800 Celsius?
I guess Rumsfeld ... By: amy2x. on 06 Oct 10, 17:32:04 I guess Rumsfeld did not make enough money with his killer NutraSweet!
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Of course !!!not ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 05 Oct 10, 01:59:31 Of course !!!not even cheap Chinese Crap steel will melt or bend unless pure Oxygen is fed into and enclosed area with BELLOWS --but see Rumsfeld and his croanies who made Shit loads off 9/11 $ and other DOD contractors knew most average citizens were like FAT Wilma, you know the type.... like in WALMART or Target in line buying more food than REAL PIGS we eat ie Jimmy Dean sausages........ so they could easily get away with anything...they were studying all of us to pull? this off.
I have had bonfires ... By: amy2x. on 05 Oct 10, 00:51:53 I have had bonfires as hot as you can get? them. Not even a nail will melt in one of those.
Got news for you -- ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 19 Dec 09, 00:27:17 Got news for you --OK I have 1 " steel this very second right now burning at 2600 degrees red hot coals with? about 100 lbs on it no bending ZIPO nothing...Try doing that to Beams 2 inches thick in 45 to 90 minutes.
I absolutely ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 17 Dec 09, 22:18:54 I absolutely million percent agree---just like young boy who is playing with his remote toy X-MAS gift so did the CIA on 9/11 WTC 1 and 2.
BUT YOU ARE? RIGHT NO PLANE HIT PENTAGON..I USED TO LOAD THAT AIRCRAFT EVERY DAY!-----757
Problem is I could ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 21 Jul 09, 13:40:34 Problem is I could make a perfect test documented and eve with CNN and people would do nothing...this BS Capilist system serves? nothing but to enrich the crooked and those who designed it to serve themselves not US Public.
ie BAILOUTS/Lobbyists.
i'll tell you that. ... By: mabes01. on 23 May 09, 20:21:06 i'll tell you that. show me one frame of film from one of the 84 recorded documents of the event that shows a plane? you can't because the government has confiscated them and won't release a single frame. hmmm? but i bet a boot licking idiot like you doesn't find that the least bit distressing. 9-11 was an inside job ass-wipe. ? wake up.
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ya your steel beam ... By: bloodredcola. on 07 May 09, 08:26:32 ya your steel beam also had no weight on top of it..... i peice of peaper will stand up straight with nothig on top..?
FINALLY, someone ... By: ALITL8. on 28 Apr 09, 06:52:12 FINALLY, someone else that sees the obvious!
ive got 30+ yrs in construction, 10 of those as an A+B Licensed On-Site Supervisor authorized to repair, install and remove underground storage tanks (Oil? and Gas industry). in addition i also had HAZMAT/HAZWOPPER and many other industry related certification.
my simple little fire video sucks compared to yours... nice job!
Next you'll be ... By: naktay01. on 09 Apr 09, 02:40:44 Next you'll be telling me why the plane did not hit the Pentagon.?
come on, you're ... By: naktay01. on 09 Apr 09, 02:35:11 come on, you're killing me. Let's do a quick analogy of why the Trade Centers fell.
Not a back yard rocket scientist with a mail box and a fire. First take into consideration 10,000 gallons of jet fuel compounded by a fireball.
The building itself had a redundent design which would keep it safe if one of the two support systems failed.? Steel will start to lose half of it's structural strength at 1200 deg. It also starts to be distorted when the heat is not a uniformed temp.
Maybe you should. ... By: naktay01. on 09 Apr 09, 00:43:57 Maybe you should. The point is that your burning a piece of metal from the outside. there are no brakes or fracture. It is not being continuosly chared from the inside. Try a different approach. take a setaline torch. ? burn it on the same spot for several minutes and then give me your results.
OK Expert Guess I ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 09 Apr 09, 00:20:26 OK Expert Guess I should just hit a few times with freakin Sledge hammer then get what 5 gallons of? JP5 over at local airport and then light it up surrounded by bricks huh???You are missing the point by hundreds of miles...This metal is Paper thin and WTC columns were 18 inches thick ---thin about it okay?
Apparently you are? ... By: naktay01. on 08 Apr 09, 23:24:50 Apparently you are? not understanding it mister wizard. Your scale is all wrong. You are burning from the outside of a structure not from within. You can not conduct an experiment using 2 completly different items with disproportionate weight, size, matter, and combustion and expect the same result. You are trying to burn one piece of steel. It is supporting no structure multiplied by the amount of weight and has sustained no damage.
Actually I am am ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 08 Apr 09, 19:52:49 Actually I am am Rocket Scientist...How Ironic
Real Job was building Patriot Missles systems..HAH...and Fire is Fire does not have to be? a raging forest fire to burn down ONE Oak tree just keep adding fuel to ONe big Oak tree and it will burn down...Amazing is'nt it 2800 degrees is 2800 degrees and this was only 1/8 th " steel....PAPER THIN!
Most rediculous ... By: naktay01. on 08 Apr 09, 16:45:02 Most rediculous analogy I've ever seen. Your proportions, weight, size, and scale are completly wrong. You're comparing a match to an inferno? with an endless supply of fuel, oxygen, and burning material. Your not a rocket scientist, quit acting like you are
Jesus Christ -- ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 08 Apr 09, 01:12:17 Jesus Christ --should have the Chinese dropped thousands of tons of Naplam into the fire --the damn building is engulfed----Cheap Chinese ? Steel ablaze..not even noticable structure damage on I-Beams...
The structure in ... By: leftysergeant. on 07 Apr 09, 13:22:27 The structure in the Beijing fire was of an utterly different design from the WTC. It was not a tube-in-a-tube, nor were any of the bearing walls damaged prior to the fire, and no insulation had been stripped from them.? Now here's one for you. Explain why, if steel will nnot buckle from heat,,di the McCormick Place roof collapse?
Well just? remember ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 26 Mar 09, 14:25:31 Well just? remember to any Genius who is watching this now --UH how the creeps who did 9/11 are on that big Yatch in West Palm Beach every night eating fine wine and Food while you are working some crap job or even have a job at all;??They are rich and live the good life while you have next to nothing.
everybody is ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 17 Feb 09, 02:19:52 everybody is entitled to? an opinion --just one thing Genius why did'nt that Cheap ass Chinese building collapse in China -the whole damn building was burning???????????
Absolutely Thermite ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 04 Jan 09, 00:59:52 Absolutely Thermite was Used...this shows towers not? affected by fire.
Thermite? was used ... By: DavRainbow6. on 03 Jan 09, 13:39:19 Thermite? was used in the twin towers.
dude, the jet fuel ... By: ryanwilliammac. on 29 May 10, 15:31:19 dude, the jet fuel exploded on? the steel, it didnt get set on fire by a man with a match. you need to do a fair test
Again not straw ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 11 Nov 09, 00:20:06 Again not straw good old fashioned White Oak--where ever you are may or may not have this wood; but plenty in East Coast....Burns really good? --look it up ok I heat my home with it and stick it to the OIL companies...Smart HUH?
I did thanks in ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 11 Nov 09, 00:17:43 I did thanks in fact what thermometer goes to 2000 degrees???let us see if? you think I just used some Oven temp guage "NOT" Pure Oxygen turned three White men very black long time ago in Cape Canaveral FLorida---it works very good to cut through steel as well when mixed with even good old Propane.
take a temp reading ... By: scarabkid22. on 10 Nov 09, 15:25:13 take a temp reading of a wood fire.? its not going to reach the temp of jet fuel burning im sorry but it just wont even with O2
nice try though. nor will it reach the temp of steel melting
NO I am burning ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 10 Nov 09, 11:02:46 NO I am burning wood which turns to Coal which burns very hot with good super cold Oxygen whihc I had blower on trying to get white hot unlike WTC which lacked O2 Oxygen reason? so much smoke no OXYGEN..!
ur also burning ... By: scarabkid22. on 10 Nov 09, 03:18:52 ur also burning straw not jet fuel i do agree though. steel melts at 2400 (farenheit) while jet fuel only burns at 550. it could have weakend them enough to buckle? them. do some homework
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I never said the ... By: vvillem9. on 17 May 12, 23:44:23 I never said the fire melted the steel.
What I did say is that the high temperature softened the steel? support beams. I believe that is what caused the collapse.
Sorry I don;t ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 17 May 12, 23:40:42 Sorry I don;t believe in the Easter Bunny anymore OK? if somebody tells me they saw PETER COTTON TAIL I say; "good" wave to him --You get my point, the trash we call the 9/11 Commission were? LIARS ,CHEATS, AND THIEVES and that speaks very really well of them...my point--- I burn a steel grate of cheap steel for last 2 years at 2800 degrees and it does not melt -ok? Fire did not bring down those towers ..guaranteed! DET. CHARGES did.
Well I believe the ... By: vvillem9. on 15 May 12, 17:49:44 Well I believe the towers collapsed due to the fire. The flames may not have reached temperatures to melt the steel but it was deffiniatly hot enough to weaken it.
Anyhow, thermite is indeed a very very easy but powerful mixture.
Same goes for acetone peroxide. Any kid can make it and it has 0.8 times the explosive power of TNT.
A lot of things are amazingly? simple
Kinda both---I am ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 14 May 12, 19:14:33 Kinda both---I am serious about what happened on 9/11 in my best judgement but sarcastic about how simple the thermite? works. This mixture is lit with literally KIDDIE baby sparklers and same could have been done on the morning of 9/11 with big! big! sparklers....? Again this is my opinion, along with I am sure were DEMO charges.
Can't tell if you ... By: vvillem9. on 11 May 12, 20:07:39 Can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic?
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Thank you I have ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 05 Oct 10, 02:09:52 Thank you I have had mine up? to 2200 degrees; RED HOT in February loaded to the hilt with red HOT coals(NO problems just "free heat") . Of course cause most a-holes from NYC to Florida have some shit job to stay alive and accept being slaves to a system that is dictatorship by brute force and murder. Gluttons to strip malls and luxury illusion ie Japanese cars and millions of FAST FOOD joints all over USA! Most Americans too stupid to see, or accept truth.
Never heard any ... By: amy2x. on 05 Oct 10, 01:01:24 Never heard any complaints of wood-stoves? melting. LoL
Thank you---? - ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 04 Oct 10, 23:42:03 Thank you---? - love to do this on very, very, large scale but that would cost allot of money maybe even several thousand dollars $...check out my video of burning structural steel all day not even a crack in the steel.
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Thank you yes quite ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 20 Sep 10, 02:40:37 Thank you yes quite aware any real leaks to 9/11 were confiscated by the FBI back on that? month 9/11...this was no doubt largest set up in Human History.
Problem is this is even bigger than just what happened on that day and since look up Psych ops and history..this has been going on long long time!
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running around USA...maybe a nut or two but NO super organized commando style group...never was....all for WAR and Dirty? Politics.Lotso fDirty old men on getting rich from this!!
notice the white ... By: tynstar13. on 05 Oct 09, 17:49:18 notice the white smoke? some other vid was making claim that the white smoke also helped prove it was thermite.. as to how the explosives and thermite would be placed I've heard some interesting rumors about security for several weeks b4 the incident and if I could find a copy on youtube that hasnt been "erased due to user violation" I'd give ya a link... interesting how many of? these vids are being erased by youtube isnt it?
Everybody look at ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 19 Jul 09, 21:43:46 Everybody look at my new video and second test....I would love to test? a real 30 ft column but need explosive company to help...
Thank you I would ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 19 Jul 09, 21:42:24 Thank you I would have doubted it myself but tried desparetly to disintegrate 6061-T6 Aluminum like that? which makes up all those Boeing aircraft at your local airport --never happened...still have the chunk of Aluminum...ie US Pentagon..
i? agree that this ... By: maryandrobby. on 19 Jul 09, 05:19:34 i? agree that this happened on 9-11-01
It will come Friday ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 01 Jul 09, 01:28:00 It will come Friday this week 07/03/09 that model will fall just like those? beams on 9/11/01 and yes I will se one littel sparkler...
Nope, that doesn't ... By: cjnewson88. on 30 Jun 09, 05:49:14 Nope, that doesn't look familiar.. should? it?
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Yes heard it and I ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 22 Apr 09, 02:46:34 Yes heard it and I bet thats? exactly why so much of the material was wisked away and then sent off to China ...CYOA definitely CYOA
Have you guys seen ... By: losplatosdemaria. on 22 Apr 09, 01:14:50 Have you guys seen the report recentlt issued by German scientists about thermite found in the wreckage?They said that there had to be tons of it.The interviewer asked how tons of thermite could have been brought into the? WTCs and the German scientist said that that was a question for the security team of the WTCs. But, it's A LOT of evidence!
Why are you sorry? ... By: StevenM818. on 16 Apr 09, 20:49:49 Why are you sorry? And how do you know how thick or thin that material was? The photo was taken on 9/11, so how do you know it wasn't molten steel or metal that hadn't darkened or thickened at the time it was taken? The record shows that scientists, structural engineers, chemists, firefighters, and other experts reported there was molten steel present at Ground Zero. By the way, why didn't you comment on the photo of the column with the? white crust I posted? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Sorry, Steven, it ... By: leftysergeant. on 16 Apr 09, 19:59:40 Sorry, Steven, it looks more like glass, which you will always find melted in that big a fire. It is? brighter where it is thin, darker where thick. Thin molten metal cools and hardens qand darkens, thick stays hotter and brighter.
Here's a column ... By: StevenM818. on 16 Apr 09, 08:47:59 Here's a column from WTC-7's rubble pile that? shows a white crust:
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Multiple views of same column
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Also found this photo showing molten metal on the surface of the WTC rubble pile:
tinyurlDOTcom/de754a
iT LOOKS? LIKE HUGE ... By: deltaalpha21074. on 08 Apr 09, 01:17:44 iT LOOKS? LIKE HUGE PUDDLES and alot of sulfur smell yeah alot of white ash and even feels hot after twenty minutes....feels hot being close to it not touching "shit would melt my hand right off even 30 minutes after.
So, what sort of ... By: leftysergeant. on 08 Apr 09, 01:13:01 So, what sort of residue does it leave on the steel? ? I have always seen a white crust around trhe cut. No firefighter from the pile reported any such thing.
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By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 17:05:29
I have gone through the Greening paper now and? already see some problematic assumptions: "the colliding masses essentially merge into a single mass that continues to descend." Watch the video, is this what happens? "This implies that the rear end of the impacting aircraft must have traveled 32 meters in order to completely penetrate the tower in the manner observed. We will assume that the striking aircraft was brought to a full stop in this distance." Watch the video, is this what happens?
By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 16:54:37
You say jagged collapse, I say asymmetrical failure. Frankly I don't see any jarring once the roofline starts descending which make the symmetrical collapse progression all? the more odd (the transition to symmetry is the kicker as far as I am concerned). The only way that the tilting can be seen as suggesting an initial resistance is if the outer walls were self supporting, which they were not. Even then it does not parse with the nature of the collapse itself.
By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 11:27:45
w w w . 911myths . com / WTCREPORT . pdf the collapse is jagged, you can see that one side is actually ahead of the opposite side of the building, which means it's? meeting resistance and not falling uniformly. The north tower and south tower collapse differently. The south tower's top block falls almost as a whole onto the lower block, the north tower's upper block collapses but is stopped by the next floor,the top block collapses first and then precedes through the rest of the building
By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 08:23:59
Certainly the WTC7 case is absurd, for WTC1 and 2 I have a problem with the assumptions used in Bazants calculations, I can't say I have seen Greening, do you have a link? If you watch the WTC closely you should be able to see that the top portion actually disintigrates first, before impacting the lower portion. There are some other studies of the collapse initiation showing precisely that the initial phase was not jagged as you expect, but a smooth acceleration. "Downward? Acceleration Tower"
By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 03:56:59
and if you read? greenings paper you can see that he can estimate that the towers in a domino collapse would take roughly 12 seconds for tower 2 and 13 for tower 1.
By: heafers84. on 07 Oct 09, 03:26:53
i don't find those times absurd at all, watching the buildings collapse they exponentially gain more speed, watch? the beginning of the collapse. The builidngs begin down from the point of impact, they hit the lower portion and almost come to a stop, and then precede down, debris far outpacing the buildings (again proving no free fall), gaining speed, mass, and of course energy making it easier for it to destroy the next level, but the initiation is slow and jagged
By: DarkwingScooter. on 07 Oct 09, 01:50:59
WTC7 fell at free fall speeds for a considerable portion of it's collapse, not according to truthers mind you: According to NIST. You don't find 1.5 and 2X free fall speeds to be a tad absurd for a natural gravity induced collapse of a 99% intact structure? If you don't I have some Lehman Brothers shares I'd like? to sell you, I heard they were gonna be hot-stuff this year.
By: heafers84. on 06 Oct 09, 22:53:19
near free fall speeds, I think 1.5X and 2X the speed of free fall is near free fall. The south tower took 14 seconds and the North took at least 18. They both fell from top to bottom, unlike any demolition ever. And they both gave at the point of impact. All i said is that it is completely possible that the towers fell due to the planes and fires. And the planes severed columns which helped cause the "start" of collapse. So why say it was done by thermite especially? with no proof of it.
By: DarkwingScooter. on 06 Oct 09, 18:12:13
You say things like the? the math for planes+fires bringing down the buildings have been done, making you think you haven't actually looked at the studies purporting to prove this. Aside from anything else they don't even claim that the planes had much to do with the collapse, because they understand how ludicrous that assertion is. What can be disproved is fires alone bringing down buildings at near free-fall speeds...
By: heafers84. on 06 Oct 09, 11:30:57
as said before there's no evidence for thermite, and the building could have been brought down from the plane crash and fires, the math is already in. If thermite was used the product of thermite would be found everywhere and it's not, that's the problem with you truthers. Why use an alternate theory when the one in front of you has been proved possible. I understand that the use of? thermite can never be disproved, but the same goes for evil fairy dust being used.
By: DarkwingScooter. on 06 Oct 09, 09:55:11
Yes there is, but who said vertical cuts? The annoying thing about you debunkers is you don't get logic. You don't need a physical test to prove how thermite was used in that specific instance if the use of exotic accelerants is? true a priori. If the buildings could not have come down naturally something must have brought it down. Disproving this or that composition and layout of thermite cannot ever disprove the use of thermite. It's not hard, but you have to think.
By: heafers84. on 22 Jul 09, 02:02:33
cut the beam vertically and i'll be impressed, this proves nothing whatsoever. the idea? of Thermite was made up by Jones and his goons. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can move on. There's never been a shred of evidence for thermite
By: deltaalpha21074. on 12 Jul 09, 12:40:15
Yes; you are very right so I shall set one up for this evening.? However I Absolutely know from tests with lots of thermite and steel -it was used to soften the HUGE Beams and then cut with LINEAR CHARGES. Precisely "how"- who knows??
By: deltaalpha21074. on 12 Jul 09, 12:18:49
NO; thermite used to soften the steel and remove much of it....I Beams that? large require material to get removed then cutting charges initiated to cut support.
By: deltaalpha21074. on 07 Jul 09, 01:10:53
No true trutherlie ---I am absolutely positive cutting charges were used but thermite as well... both were used? in fact ---I even think it was new formula ----A PASTE form of Thermite ---PASTE or TAR form just like Rhino Lining painted on those coulmns