I have? abandoned ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 08 May 12, 16:31:10 I have? abandoned the positions I took in this video due to my recent conversion to Islam. I'm going to leave the video up though.
"es" means serpent, ... By: glasspig. on 08 May 12, 08:30:08 "es" means serpent,
i'm guessing back when verbal language was designed, the "s" sound is influenced by the sound that a snake makes.
not only that, but the letter "S" was? also influenced by how a snake looks also
[[the problem with ... By: LucisFerre1. on 08 May 12, 06:40:05 [[the problem with modern religion is that everyone is conditioned to see all of them as separated beliefs when in fact they can all be traced back to the oldest known form of worship called "Serpent Worship"]]
I bought a book a while back called Goddess, Myths of the feminine divine. It lists goddesses, sacred virgins, virgin births, etc from religions all over the world. It's astounding how many? of these divine figures are associated with serpents. Perhaps it's a phallic symbol. I don't know.
And bias can cause ... By: robtbo. on 07 May 12, 21:01:10 And bias can cause knowledge to be interpreted? in a way which supports belief. Nobody likes to say they're wrong. :P
Knowledge makes ... By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 18:09:28 Knowledge makes faith completely superfluous. ?
True, but knowledge ... By: robtbo. on 07 May 12, 15:45:54 True, but knowledge and belief are internally indistinguishable while faith is maintained.
I wouldn't assert the religious necessarily have poor reasoning skills, but little or no? acknowledgment of their own bias IF they apply reasoning to their beliefs. It's a very human thing to do.
yeah i pretty much ... By: glasspig. on 07 May 12, 06:58:13 yeah i pretty much agree to that i guess.
i guess what defines "evil" would be defined as negative energy, and when i say that i'm talking actual physics, not just metaphorically, i mean an actual slow dense wavelength is created out of the? energy of real human emotion, a fear-based emotion.
and i guess a "lie" is defined as a way to manipulate humans' emotions in order to keep their atoms resonating to a narrow 1% level of reality of the many leveled holographic universe.
[[One doesn't have ... By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:32:13 [[One doesn't have to have a comprehensive understanding of any of those things for them to be useful or meaningful. One simply needs a bare minimum operating knowledge.]]
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Religions have nothing to do with knowledge. It has to do with belief, faith, and poor reasoning skills, if I do say so? myself.
[[You make a point ... By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:30:34 [[You make a point but that has nothing to do with faith in god. Most believers have some basis behind their faith that gives a minimum knowledge? of the personal impact their deity or deities have on them. ]]
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Belief isn't knowledge. If Bob thought a magic rock in his pocket helped him kick alcoholism, that would not be evidence that the rock (if there is a rock) is actually magical, i.e. that a magical rock is existent, even though Hebrews 11:1-3 suggests otherwise.
Glasspig, I happen ... By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:26:52 Glasspig, I happen to like serpents. Historically, in myths involving talking serpents, they were often not sources of lies but rather possessors of illicit truths. It's? no different in the Eden myths. Satan (rather ha-satan) does mean a skeptic who challenges. "Illicit" thought that skeptically challenges one causes doubt and doubt destroys faith. Authoritarians find this to be evil. I don't. I consider the Abrahamic Satan to be an anti-hero, standing against tyranny. I'm a Satanic Objectivist.
BTW, an a-theist is ... By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:15:40 BTW, an a-theist is a non-theist. A theist is someone who presumes the existence? of at least one deity. An a-theist is someone who does not possess theistic beliefs. It's not necessarily someone who insists that there are no 'gods'. It just so happens that everyone who believes that there are no 'gods' ALSO possesses no theistic beliefs. It's the latter which qualifies them as atheist. Atheism isn't juxtaposed against 'god' but rather theists. Theists demonstrably exist, & I'm not one of them.
I'm an atheist, and ... By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:03:31 I'm an atheist, and I understand your point just fine.? You're exactly right. A being with seemingly limitless powers, who created the universe & nothing 'out there' could help nor harm it, would not "want" for anything. A being with plans that are sometimes sources of frustration (causing "wrath"), isn't a being with limitless, or supreme, power. To quote Captain Kirk 'what does 'god' need with a spaceship'. What's more interesting is that such a supreme being would have no hierarchy of values.
the problem with ... By: glasspig. on 24 Apr 12, 00:36:00 the problem with modern religion is that everyone is conditioned to see all of them as separated beliefs when in fact they can all be traced back to the oldest known form of worship called "Serpent Worship"
If anybody wants to know the "truth" at least on a literary level about the basis of religion, read "The Murder Of Reality" a book about etymology
brotherhood actually originally means "malevolent demon"
government actually original means? "satan" which means "to oppose."
pick up the book
You make a point ... By: robtbo. on 05 Apr 12, 00:25:03 You make a point but that has nothing to do with faith in god. Most believers have some basis behind their faith that gives a minimum knowledge of the? personal impact their deity or deities have on them. If they believe in an omnipotent being, they comprehend that omnipotence is a property, but do not need to comprehend omnipotence for said being to have meaning.
If they believe they're going to heaven, they couldn't give a crap about the method of transportation.
A bare minimum ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 05 Apr 12, 00:09:48 A bare minimum operating knowledge is still an understanding, i.e., it's within your logical scope if only just a little bit. If you don't even have that, then? what's the point?
One doesn't have to ... By: robtbo. on 04 Apr 12, 18:05:11 One doesn't have to have a comprehensive understanding of any of those things for them to be useful or meaningful. One simply needs a bare minimum operating knowledge.
Unlike things like earthquakes,? love, hunger, fear, tsunamis, fire, cold,etc. They can be very meaningful without knowing the first thing about them.
All one needs to comprehend is the personal impact things have for them to be meaningful.
Maybe you are the exception but in general this is obvious across humanity.
They are ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 04 Apr 12, 13:26:06 They are meaningless? to the person who doesn't understand then, and isn't capable of learning then. If you don't understand batteries at all, you can't use batteries. If you don't understand the internet or electronics, you won't be able to utilize these things and as a result they are completely useless to you.
Chemistry works in ... By: robtbo. on 04 Apr 12, 11:56:28 Chemistry works in mysterious ways. :P
I really don't know why you're so insistent on positing the exception to the rule.
If someone doesn't understand how batteries? work... electronics... the internet... oven cleaners... car engines... plumbing... that doesn't make them meaningless.
Let me put this to ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 04 Apr 12, 03:24:49 Let me put this to you in another way. Suppose you had an old rusted fence, and there existed a chemical formula that would melt away the rust and make your fence look brand new. Let's also say you don't understand the slightest thing about chemistry. Since you don't understand chemistry, the formula will only do you good if you can take it to someone who can make the formula. If you can't, and you? can't understand chemistry in the least, or learn it, then chemistry itself is useless to you.
Do you comprehend ... By: robtbo. on 04 Apr 12, 02:35:01 Do you comprehend all the mechanisms and formulas by which a brain assigns subjective meaning to its own self-awareness? The? most knowledgeable neuroscientists don't know how that stuff works but without them, you literally cannot have meaning.
And come on... as if you've never heard anyone say "the Lord works in mysterious ways." That's faith in the unknown. Humans are not 100% rational creatures and comprehension obviously isn't a prerequisite for meaning.
"You can't possibly ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 04 Apr 12, 00:12:32 "You can't possibly believe that things are rendered meaningless simply because they're beyond human comprehension."
Yes I can. Even in the case of Faith, you've still? defined logically what you have Faith in, and it is within your logical scope. If it's outside of your logical scope, then you're not going to have faith in it. Furthermore, if you can't expand your logical scope to comprehend something, then what good is that something to you exactly?
Obviously, faith by ... By: robtbo. on 03 Apr 12, 23:36:32 Obviously, faith by itself says nothing.
You can't possibly believe that things are rendered meaningless simply because they're beyond human comprehension. Humans aren't? very impressive in their comprehensive abilities. :P
"logic is ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 03 Apr 12, 23:26:00 "logic is insufficient to define gods."
But faith can define Gods? Faith can't define anything. Faith just IS. Logic is what defines something or someone, and? if it's true that logic is insufficient to define Gods, then Gods are utterly meaningless to human beings because we can't comprehend anything outside of our scope of Logic no matter how much faith we have.
As an atheist, I've ... By: robtbo. on 03 Apr 12, 22:50:28 As an atheist, I've pondered this point and formed a rebuttal. Arguments against gods can always be trumped by faith and the notion that logic is insufficient to define gods. It's the people who try to make sense of it that? are reinventing gods.
Omnipotence vs want. Omniscience vs choice. Perfection vs... pretty much everything.
I just say, if you're gonna have faith, just have faith.
I'm not looking to ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 03 Apr 12, 22:13:13 I'm not looking to define Atheism. That's not the point here. The point here was to strike at the central weak point of Theism, which Atheists (because? of their devotion to positivism) always miss. And if I accept that logical paradox, then the core of Praxeology, i.e., man acts to achieve pre-determined subjective ends, is rendered null & void because we're just being controlled right down to the wire by some Deity.
type? in youtube:
... By: glasspig. on 28 Apr 12, 19:48:07 type? in youtube:
Fractional Reserve Banking - Debt? Based Currency? Scam? Explained by Eric Padden
and then prove that guys video wrong
Fractional Reserve ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 28 Apr 12, 15:27:37 Fractional Reserve Lending can't exist in a free-market. Books for you to read before I respond to your next comment. "The Theory of Money and Credit", "Human Action: A Treatise on Economics", by Ludwig Von Mises. "The Mystery of Banking", "What has the Government Done to Our Money? The Case for a 100% Gold Dollar", "Man, Economy, and State with Power and Market" by Murray Rothbard.
Get to? reading.
lol
yeah sure it's? ... By: glasspig. on 28 Apr 12, 01:31:01 lol
yeah sure it's? "fallacious" just like fractional reserve lending
"yea well also in ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 28 Apr 12, 01:13:24 "yea well also in the current free-market, most americans are just one single paycheck away? from being homeless."
And America is a free-market, how? Pointing out America's situation and blaming it on the free-market is foolish, since America does not have a free-market. So, your point is not only moot,? it's fallacious because it's built on a false assumption.
yea well also in? ... By: glasspig. on 27 Apr 12, 23:17:16 yea well also in? the current free-market, most americans are just one single paycheck away from being homeless.
In? a free-market, ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 27 Apr 12, 21:37:23 In? a free-market, no it doesn't.
yeah you're right, ... By: glasspig. on 27 Apr 12, 19:49:52 yeah you're right, centralized decision-making and power-consolidation never? happens
You really need to? ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 27 Apr 12, 12:44:08 You really need to? learn economics. What you're talking about will never happen.
i guess it'll " ... By: glasspig. on 27 Apr 12, 01:23:51 i guess it'll "prove something" when that 50% inevitably becomes? 100% ....
"1% of the world ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 26 Apr 12, 23:09:49 "1% of the world owns almost 50% of the worlds wealth, reported by the United Nations."
Yeah,? so what are you trying to prove by referencing this completely moot point?
omg lol
1% of the ... By: glasspig. on 26 Apr 12, 07:16:48 omg lol
1% of the world owns almost 50% of the worlds wealth, reported? by the United Nations.
intellect is not how fast you can to take something from the earth, sell it, dispose it back into the earth, hoard a profit, and repeating.
intellect is being able to see through lies and deceit.
Yep. We're all ... By: LiberAnarchy. on 07 Mar 12, 23:06:37 Yep. We're all subject to a state of nature, including those who would pretend to free us from that state. We're all human.?
Here's some videos of David Icke.
http://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=uAGTJE rVNBU
http://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=ko1897 Z9s6c
http://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=r0VAyA AmXn0
lol
obviously ... By: glasspig. on 17 Apr 12, 21:37:21 lol
obviously someones never read "The Murder Of Reality" by Pierre Sabak.
Icke never said he had physical proof, so why do people keep? implying he claims he does?
He admits its all circumstantial.
I wear sunglasses ... By: TheDarkVII. on 03 Mar 12, 23:03:13 I wear sunglasses to cover up the fact? I have Gecko eyes.
Conspiracy ... By: LiberAnarchy. on 03 Mar 12, 21:51:14 Conspiracy theorists are a fun bunch. Just don't engage them unless you are in for lulz. As soon as you bring up a counter point to their claims, no matter? how cogent, they will counter with "But that's that they want you to think!"
Dude,? the world ... By: philfromearth. on 03 Mar 12, 19:58:22 Dude,? the world needs Icke and his minions. The world has enough serious shit going, we need the comic relief.
I study you, but? ... By: lengthyounarther. on 03 Mar 12, 14:31:43 I study you, but? not because I think your a reptilian, or is it reptoid, I can never remember.
If this guy ... By: SebbeSucksBawlz. on 18 Dec 11, 22:23:24 If this guy actually got elected I'd be seriously worried... but that's not gonna happen so for now I'll just laugh at? him instead.
ROFLMAO!!!!! ... By: philfromearth. on 18 Dec 11, 22:14:16 ROFLMAO!!!!! Good video, dude?
Gordon Gekko *unknowningly* describes the problems facing today's private sector, while blasting the bureaucracy responsible for said problems in the first place. A classic speech, both in film and, also, within economic thought.
Exactly! You get? a ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 18 May 12, 23:06:50 Exactly! You get? a thumbs up!
Gekko's description ... By: gsmoove222. on 18 May 12, 18:25:46 Gekko's description of the problems of corporate America was not unknowing. The thing about survival of the unfittest being the new law of? evolution is something Carl Icahn (one of the people used to make Gekko) has been saying for years, and the fact that companies are so inefficiently run is the reason he has been able to clean house and make billions for so long.
Hollywood isn't a ... By: Visplight. on 16 May 12, 20:05:22 Hollywood isn't a single entity. Everyone makes their own movies, for whatever they think? people will pay to see.
Pointing out the ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 14 May 12, 00:56:16 Pointing out the fact that the country is running? nightmarish deficits is hardly rhetoric. It is acknowledgement of a serious problem.
fiscal deficits,? ... By: echoplex89. on 13 May 12, 21:49:24 fiscal deficits,? government deficits.
sounds like the 1% rhetoric hasn't changed a bit. They're playing with the same playbook.
Hollywood is full ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 22 Apr 12, 14:47:53 Hollywood is full of fucking retards anyway. They railed against the VHS Home Entertainment System when it? first hit the market, saying that it would be to the movie industry what some serial killer was to some area (I don't remember which). Instead, they make a boat-load of money off of it. Now they're claiming that they're losing all of this money because of online piracy (bullshit) so they're going to support a law that they're going to make movies sharply critiquing later.
LMAO!
I am confused!! ... By: tantalisinglabrat. on 22 Apr 12, 09:59:07 I am confused!! Hollywood makes movies like this and it's 2010 sequel that attack American big business yet? simultaneously pumps obscene amounts of money to have SOPA become law... biggest hedge bet ever, I'd say!!!
Social Darwinism. ... By: DrTruthiness. on 18 Apr 12, 18:30:22 Social Darwinism. So dangerously seductive. ?
BRAVO, now i have ... By: zonghong6. on 09 Apr 12, 12:40:27 BRAVO, now i have something to write for my expository essay? :D
Well duh, of course ... By: LamboK28992. on 08 Apr 12, 20:05:17 Well duh, of course it can be bad. But the only reason you are typing on a computer is because someone made it so they could trade it to you for your? money.
Have you ever heard ... By: ThandiNC. on 08 Apr 12, 12:28:01 Have you ever heard of the saying: live by the sword die by? the sword? Too much zeal for money can be dangerous for a society. Money in itself is not bad but doing anything and everything to accumulate money can be bad. Just like eating too much food can be bad. Food is good but too much of it is dangerous and can kill you.
lou manheim :P he? ... By: zooMZooMlikeATyphOOn. on 25 Mar 12, 08:13:45 lou manheim :P he? goot
"man looks into the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. that's when man finds his character, and that's what keeps him out of the abyss."
greed is the only? ... By: LamboK28992. on 21 Mar 12, 17:03:11 greed is the only? thing that built the USA in the first place
Greed threatened to ... By: ThandiNC. on 16 Mar 12, 07:47:26 Greed threatened to sink the? USA!
Spoken like a true ... By: thedeparted2006. on 16 Mar 12, 04:10:12 Spoken like a true BOSS.?
I kept trying to ... By: iRaepBebbez. on 14 Mar 12, 23:47:30 I kept trying to close the ad on the bottom of? the video.
He is right ofc ... By: DrCaligar1. on 14 Mar 12, 06:44:35 He is right ofc thats why stone made another movie and thats why stone believes that the bank bailout shouldnt? happen alltogether
This speech is SO ... By: ComputerIlliterit. on 02 Mar 12, 23:25:21 This speech is SO TRUE! Since the 1900's, increasing exponentially since the Great Depression. Great movie, great acting by Douglas, the Sheen father/son duo? (love their scenes together) Securities fraud have gone up 52% since 2008. A BIG BANK violating this act has NEVER been INDICTED for violation of the 1970 Secrecy Bank Act: that little law that's supposed to stop money laundering; the banks get "deferred-prosecution" basically it's a FINE and a promise for that bank to not do it again.
"You might want to ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 28 Feb 12, 17:54:43 "You might want to keep watching the movie. It was all about quick profits. He could? care less about the people (whom he? wanted to make unemployed), even when they made money."
Again, that's irrelevant to the point he's making here.
Or? it could be ... By: blrohm. on 28 Feb 12, 17:10:49 Or? it could be like bailing out blue star and then saying it's because they're more important than Gekko because it wasn't their fault that their pensions bankrupted the company they worked for. You can't be for one bailout and against another. If you are then you're just a walking, talking hypocrite.
right on. Why does ... By: blrohm. on 28 Feb 12, 17:08:28 right on. Why does no one ever talk about the roaring 20's? The roaring 20's came about from a recession that by all economic indicators was worse than the crash of 1929. The? only difference is Calvin Coolidge allowed the free market to take us out of recession and Hoover/Roosevelt did not and Obama is not now. I'd encourage everyone who hates capitalism to really research Calvin Coolidge and the depression of 1920-1921.
It's like George ... By: BoxOfOranges84. on 26 Feb 12, 20:47:58 It's like George Romney, with Charlie Sheen? playing Mitt
Gekko 4 PRES!!!!? By: kcrone1. on 24 Feb 12, 06:01:08 Gekko 4 PRES!!!!?
? If this where a ... By: tnickknight. on 19 Feb 12, 12:16:27 ? If this where a real life. Gekko, would have been given bailouts, well Republicans blamed it all on the workers at Blue Star.
It was! My? dad was ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 07 Feb 12, 05:37:04 It was! My? dad was destroyed by it!
Sorry about the ... By: timishardcore. on 07 Feb 12, 04:54:33 Sorry about the loss Ken. I? love animals and that would be a bummer.
Bullet had one big ... By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 01 Feb 12, 05:02:16 Bullet had one big tumor going from one end of his stomach to the other. The vet gave us 3 choices; carry him to the state capital and spend $1,500 on a surgery that most likely wouldn't work, put him to sleep there at the vet, or take him home and let nature run it's course. He finally became so weak he couldn't fight it anymore. My dad? had him cremated. He was roughly 9 - 10 years old, and would've lived longer were it not for the cancer.
My boxer passed ... By: KYCATSFAN1. on 01 Feb 12, 04:02:32 My boxer passed suddenly Saturday due to tumors on her her kidney and? liver. She was fine last week, suddenly became sick, a few days later I was forced to put her down. She was 8 and the 1st dog I've owned. Worst day of my life and it's still very hard still. I know the pain you're going through man. Sorry to hear about your boxer, atleast they are no longer in pain :(
While I dont? agree ... By: 57silver. on 08 Dec 11, 20:10:47 While I dont? agree with everything he says....he does have a valid point
My? nigga Bullet, ... By: Episcopicide. on 31 Oct 11, 20:49:04 My? nigga Bullet, holding it down for the south! LMAO.
Adorable pooch, if ... By: planetlockdown. on 13 Sep 11, 22:53:13 Adorable pooch, if Bullet can identify policy points about USA issues on a? document sheet and bark out in code about positions, run the canine for USA Presidential candidate. Make Dennis Kucinich his running mate.
Fuck me...its Cujo!? By: TheDarkVII. on 14 Feb 11, 14:56:35 Fuck me...its Cujo!?
he? wants a shnitzel By: simantov666. on 13 Feb 11, 22:44:26 he? wants a shnitzel
your dog is so cute ... By: jamielynnlikestosing. on 13 Feb 11, 05:22:26 your dog is so cute ? he talks so cute
I think? I now ... By: Episcopicide. on 12 Feb 11, 20:00:56 I think? I now understand that Professor Bullet was simply trying to convey the secrets of the cosmos. . I approve this message.
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Latest comments made on this video:
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 08 May 12, 16:31:10
I have? abandoned the positions I took in this video due to my recent conversion to Islam. I'm going to leave the video up though.
By: glasspig. on 08 May 12, 08:30:08
"es" means serpent, i'm guessing back when verbal language was designed, the "s" sound is influenced by the sound that a snake makes. not only that, but the letter "S" was? also influenced by how a snake looks also
By: LucisFerre1. on 08 May 12, 06:40:05
[[the problem with modern religion is that everyone is conditioned to see all of them as separated beliefs when in fact they can all be traced back to the oldest known form of worship called "Serpent Worship"]] I bought a book a while back called Goddess, Myths of the feminine divine. It lists goddesses, sacred virgins, virgin births, etc from religions all over the world. It's astounding how many? of these divine figures are associated with serpents. Perhaps it's a phallic symbol. I don't know.
By: robtbo. on 07 May 12, 21:01:10
And bias can cause knowledge to be interpreted? in a way which supports belief. Nobody likes to say they're wrong. :P
By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 18:09:28
Knowledge makes faith completely superfluous. ?
By: robtbo. on 07 May 12, 15:45:54
True, but knowledge and belief are internally indistinguishable while faith is maintained. I wouldn't assert the religious necessarily have poor reasoning skills, but little or no? acknowledgment of their own bias IF they apply reasoning to their beliefs. It's a very human thing to do.
By: glasspig. on 07 May 12, 06:58:13
yeah i pretty much agree to that i guess. i guess what defines "evil" would be defined as negative energy, and when i say that i'm talking actual physics, not just metaphorically, i mean an actual slow dense wavelength is created out of the? energy of real human emotion, a fear-based emotion. and i guess a "lie" is defined as a way to manipulate humans' emotions in order to keep their atoms resonating to a narrow 1% level of reality of the many leveled holographic universe.
By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:32:13
[[One doesn't have to have a comprehensive understanding of any of those things for them to be useful or meaningful. One simply needs a bare minimum operating knowledge.]] ... Religions have nothing to do with knowledge. It has to do with belief, faith, and poor reasoning skills, if I do say so? myself.
By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:30:34
[[You make a point but that has nothing to do with faith in god. Most believers have some basis behind their faith that gives a minimum knowledge? of the personal impact their deity or deities have on them. ]] ... Belief isn't knowledge. If Bob thought a magic rock in his pocket helped him kick alcoholism, that would not be evidence that the rock (if there is a rock) is actually magical, i.e. that a magical rock is existent, even though Hebrews 11:1-3 suggests otherwise.
By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:26:52
Glasspig, I happen to like serpents. Historically, in myths involving talking serpents, they were often not sources of lies but rather possessors of illicit truths. It's? no different in the Eden myths. Satan (rather ha-satan) does mean a skeptic who challenges. "Illicit" thought that skeptically challenges one causes doubt and doubt destroys faith. Authoritarians find this to be evil. I don't. I consider the Abrahamic Satan to be an anti-hero, standing against tyranny. I'm a Satanic Objectivist.
By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:15:40
BTW, an a-theist is a non-theist. A theist is someone who presumes the existence? of at least one deity. An a-theist is someone who does not possess theistic beliefs. It's not necessarily someone who insists that there are no 'gods'. It just so happens that everyone who believes that there are no 'gods' ALSO possesses no theistic beliefs. It's the latter which qualifies them as atheist. Atheism isn't juxtaposed against 'god' but rather theists. Theists demonstrably exist, & I'm not one of them.
By: LucisFerre1. on 07 May 12, 03:03:31
I'm an atheist, and I understand your point just fine.? You're exactly right. A being with seemingly limitless powers, who created the universe & nothing 'out there' could help nor harm it, would not "want" for anything. A being with plans that are sometimes sources of frustration (causing "wrath"), isn't a being with limitless, or supreme, power. To quote Captain Kirk 'what does 'god' need with a spaceship'. What's more interesting is that such a supreme being would have no hierarchy of values.
By: glasspig. on 24 Apr 12, 00:36:00
the problem with modern religion is that everyone is conditioned to see all of them as separated beliefs when in fact they can all be traced back to the oldest known form of worship called "Serpent Worship" If anybody wants to know the "truth" at least on a literary level about the basis of religion, read "The Murder Of Reality" a book about etymology brotherhood actually originally means "malevolent demon" government actually original means? "satan" which means "to oppose." pick up the book
By: robtbo. on 05 Apr 12, 00:25:03
You make a point but that has nothing to do with faith in god. Most believers have some basis behind their faith that gives a minimum knowledge of the? personal impact their deity or deities have on them. If they believe in an omnipotent being, they comprehend that omnipotence is a property, but do not need to comprehend omnipotence for said being to have meaning. If they believe they're going to heaven, they couldn't give a crap about the method of transportation.
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 05 Apr 12, 00:09:48
A bare minimum operating knowledge is still an understanding, i.e., it's within your logical scope if only just a little bit. If you don't even have that, then? what's the point?
By: robtbo. on 04 Apr 12, 18:05:11
One doesn't have to have a comprehensive understanding of any of those things for them to be useful or meaningful. One simply needs a bare minimum operating knowledge. Unlike things like earthquakes,? love, hunger, fear, tsunamis, fire, cold,etc. They can be very meaningful without knowing the first thing about them. All one needs to comprehend is the personal impact things have for them to be meaningful. Maybe you are the exception but in general this is obvious across humanity.
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 04 Apr 12, 13:26:06
They are meaningless? to the person who doesn't understand then, and isn't capable of learning then. If you don't understand batteries at all, you can't use batteries. If you don't understand the internet or electronics, you won't be able to utilize these things and as a result they are completely useless to you.
By: robtbo. on 04 Apr 12, 11:56:28
Chemistry works in mysterious ways. :P I really don't know why you're so insistent on positing the exception to the rule. If someone doesn't understand how batteries? work... electronics... the internet... oven cleaners... car engines... plumbing... that doesn't make them meaningless.
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 04 Apr 12, 03:24:49
Let me put this to you in another way. Suppose you had an old rusted fence, and there existed a chemical formula that would melt away the rust and make your fence look brand new. Let's also say you don't understand the slightest thing about chemistry. Since you don't understand chemistry, the formula will only do you good if you can take it to someone who can make the formula. If you can't, and you? can't understand chemistry in the least, or learn it, then chemistry itself is useless to you.
By: robtbo. on 04 Apr 12, 02:35:01
Do you comprehend all the mechanisms and formulas by which a brain assigns subjective meaning to its own self-awareness? The? most knowledgeable neuroscientists don't know how that stuff works but without them, you literally cannot have meaning. And come on... as if you've never heard anyone say "the Lord works in mysterious ways." That's faith in the unknown. Humans are not 100% rational creatures and comprehension obviously isn't a prerequisite for meaning.
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 04 Apr 12, 00:12:32
"You can't possibly believe that things are rendered meaningless simply because they're beyond human comprehension." Yes I can. Even in the case of Faith, you've still? defined logically what you have Faith in, and it is within your logical scope. If it's outside of your logical scope, then you're not going to have faith in it. Furthermore, if you can't expand your logical scope to comprehend something, then what good is that something to you exactly?
By: robtbo. on 03 Apr 12, 23:36:32
Obviously, faith by itself says nothing. You can't possibly believe that things are rendered meaningless simply because they're beyond human comprehension. Humans aren't? very impressive in their comprehensive abilities. :P
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 03 Apr 12, 23:26:00
"logic is insufficient to define gods." But faith can define Gods? Faith can't define anything. Faith just IS. Logic is what defines something or someone, and? if it's true that logic is insufficient to define Gods, then Gods are utterly meaningless to human beings because we can't comprehend anything outside of our scope of Logic no matter how much faith we have.
By: robtbo. on 03 Apr 12, 22:50:28
As an atheist, I've pondered this point and formed a rebuttal. Arguments against gods can always be trumped by faith and the notion that logic is insufficient to define gods. It's the people who try to make sense of it that? are reinventing gods. Omnipotence vs want. Omniscience vs choice. Perfection vs... pretty much everything. I just say, if you're gonna have faith, just have faith.
By: TheManiacalSatanist6. on 03 Apr 12, 22:13:13
I'm not looking to define Atheism. That's not the point here. The point here was to strike at the central weak point of Theism, which Atheists (because? of their devotion to positivism) always miss. And if I accept that logical paradox, then the core of Praxeology, i.e., man acts to achieve pre-determined subjective ends, is rendered null & void because we're just being controlled right down to the wire by some Deity.